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The naming of “India” and “Pakistan”
R.M.Paulraj , Bangalore: Aug 13 2008
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The naming of “India” and “Pakistan”

[The external boundaries of India as depicted on the map are neither correct nor authentic.]

The people who inhabited the Indus Valley region later spread to the Gangetic Plains and then to the peninsular part of India. Later migrations took them even beyond to Sri Lanka, Indonesia, the Southeast Asian countries, and so on.

They founded numerous kingdoms identified by the dynasties in different parts of the subcontinent. Each of these kingdoms had their own names.

It is the medieval foreign travelers, later invaders and immigrants, who felt the need for a single name that would collectively refer to all kingdoms and peoples of the subcontinent. They took the Persian term “India” from the ancient writings of the Hebrews, Greeks, etc. - where it had been used to refer to the Indus Valley region - and began using it to refer to the entire subcontinent that now consisted of hundreds of kingdoms with peoples of so many different languages and cultures.

This is how the name “India” began to be used to refer to the whole of the subcontinent. The Mughals called the country Hindustan, a name derived from Indus or Sindhu.

The rulers of the British Empire followed suite; and one of the two modern nations that took birth on the departure of the British from the subcontinent chose to retain the name “India” as it meant some sort of historical continuity for them, and the name (politically) ceased to refer to the regions which it originally referred to in the ancient times. The other country, which actually consisted of most of the lands of the Indus Valley civilization, coined a new name for itself in “Pakistan”.

But (this is an important “but”), a large section of the people presently inhabiting the Indus Valley region and the nearby areas (Sindh, Punjab, NWFP, Balochistan, Kashmir, and parts of Gujarat and Rajasthan) are descendants of later migrant groups to the region (like the Arabs, Greeks, Central Asians, and so on), though a considerable percentage of these later migrants have also followed the earlier Indus people in moving eastward and coming to live in other parts of the subcontinent.

Some of the nomadic mountain tribes living in parts of present day Pakistan may have a better claim to the name “India”, than many of the advanced modern communities in that country (who are mostly made up of later Persian, Arab, and Central Asian immigrants).

A large percentage of the population of the political entity now called “India” consists of descendants of the people who inhabited the Indus Valley region during the heyday of the Indus civilization. Thus, the descendants of the people of the Indus civilization are now spread all over the subcontinent and are more concentrated in the central and southern parts of it.

Mahabharata is essentially a story that relates the spread of a section of the Indus people to the Gangetic plains. The division of provinces subsequent to the chess game played between the main characters opens up the story of the eastward spread, with the defeated party getting the forested and undeveloped regions to the east of the river Yamuna allocated as its portion. The winners had the right to retain the already settled and inhabited regions to the west of the river. The main events of the story took place in locations in Afghanistan and Punjab (Gandhar, present day Khandahar in Afghanistan; Takshaseela, present day Taxila in Punjab; and Kurushetra, the epic battle field, is in present day Haryana). Therefore geographically it is Pakistan that can claim the name “Bharat”!

(What began as a Comment to Hassan Rizvi’s article “A Himalayan Blunder – The Misnaming Of India!” grew too big and I thought it merited to be a separate article.)

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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Paulraj

Thanks ,for the linkage and such a long response to my article.I have the following observations for you to consider:

1.There is hardly any evidence to suggest that ’the people who inhabited the Indus Valley region later spread to the Gangetic Plains and then to the peninsular part of India’.There is however evidence of repeated invaders ,either conquering these people and staying to rule-like the Persians/ Alexander’s people or like numerous others invaders starting with the Aryans and ending with the Muslims passing over these areas to spread over in Al-Hind,Bharat ,or what is now known as India.Though one exception or reverse movement was when Chandragupta Murya and Ashoka (The Murya Dynasty)
from the inner Gangetic/Hindi civilization also held sway over this area.

2.Also it is known that after the demise of the original Indus Valley civilisation (probably done in by Arayan invaders or climate change due to change in course of River Gaggra)in all of recorded history these people never could establish their own state or kingdom-till the creation of Pakistan.

3.A major problem with your hypothesis that it was an early form of a Vedic civilization which spread to rest of India and beyond is that no signs of the traditional culture associated with the Vedas was uncovered in that of the Indus Valley. The absence of horses amongst the many realistic representations of animals shown on seals is also significant, considering the importance of horses and chariots in the culture described in Mahabharata and the Vedas. The very first book of The MahaBharata tells about a tournament between the princes held in the region of upper Ganges in which horses are used:

”Mark the gallant princes, monarch, trained in arms and warlike art,

Let them prove their skill and valour, rein the steed and throw the dart.”

4.More over detailed bone analysis has revealed that the horse itself was introduced to the subcontinent only at the beginning of the second millennium B.C.-which could therefore be the time the Sanskrit epics - and therefore the MahaBharata legends -might just have begun to take shape.The Bharat bit is therefore foreign and much later to the IVC-and indegenous to Gangetic plain an area which now constitutes India.
4.The people of Pakistan could therefore hardly be in a position to lay claim to the name Bharat as you seem to suggest.

Regards and Blessings
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R.M.Paulraj
Bangalore, India
Hi Hassan Rizvi,

1. The successive waves of eastward migrations had their epicenter in the Indus region.

I would prefer to call the various peoples that entered the subcontinent from the west as “migrants” and not as “invaders”.

2. The monarchic form of governance was yet to be introduced and fully established in many parts of the world when the Indus Valley Civilization flourished. The people were understandably under the administration of chieftains. Rulers who were known as “kings” and held high authority over the people they ruled came into being centuries later, though the title “king” is applied to the “chiefs” of the earlier times as well in writings of later times.

Pakistan, as I have mentioned before, was not a creation of the descendants of the people of the Indus Valley Civilization. The population of Pakistan, when it was created, was to a large extent consisting of descendants of later migrant groups.

3. Indus valley Civilization had nothing to do with what is now called by some as Vedic Civilization. Traces of idol worship and rituals are no proof of Vedic connection as these were prevalent among almost all cultures of the world in those times.

Vedic Civilization is a new name coined by some, with politico-religious objectives, to erroneously denote the entire Indian civilization of the ancient times, including the Indus Valley Civilization.

The epics are not reliable records of history, and the claim that they represent the past of the entire subcontinent and all the peoples that lived therein since times immemorial is unfounded at the best.

4. Most of the events related in the Mahabharata took place in the region that is now called Pakistan, as I have detailed already. So, come on Rizvi, the people of Pakistan do have a right to claim the name “Bharat” for their country!

Warm regards!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Paulraj,
Quite obviously you are basing your arguments on by now discarded older theories.See my reply to one comment on my article Himalayan blunder in which I give details of Indian races.
Genetic studies i.e.genetic analysis has proved that what is now India predominantly comprises of six races - of people who migrated from outside.A few of those could even have been from IVC.They also proved that all the original races of the region are now all predominately in Pakistan,Of course these original races are IVC.

The races of what is now India all had a common thread of some sort of faith based on some portion of Vedic scriptures.That is why as you say they were later grouped as Vedic peoples or bBharati people.Again the people of IVC differ from the rest in so far as belief is concerned as they shown no Vedic influence.

These are the two major reasons why the people of Pakistan can not claim to be Bharatis- though we can claim to be Indians or Induos.

Best Regards
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Interesting history.
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